I expect there are very few people running 7, and waaaay less running xp. I think most people have upgraded to 10 or 11 by now.

I don’t remember there being a similar CPU generation cutoff before. Your 7th gen intel laptop cannot install windows 11. So Linux is your only choice.

Yeah but half of that is a few nerds inflating the numbers with 10 thinkpads each running different linux distros

God you’re poisonous. I think you belong on exploding heads or lemmygrand or whatever.

You’re not being cruel to the “garbage trash instances,” you’re being cruel to your fellow Lemmy-users who you accuse of “whining” as they express their opinions about federation.

Yes it is equivalent, because you’re telling your fellow humans to LEAVE instead of discuss things on a public forum. It’s obviously weird and petty to tell people to leave.

And yet the mods aren’t harassing me and I’m not harassing the mods. I’m discussing the benefits of connection with all the other federated users. And a very small number of people are petty enough to tell me to leave. “We don’t discuss things 'round here. Giiit out!”

exactly equivalent

Nothing is “exactly equivalent” to anything unless it’s two identical numbers. The analogy is definitely legit. You’re telling people to GTFO.

Expecting sever owners who invest time and money into this to cater to your wants

This applies much better to people asking server owners to block instances.

Right. OP should find a safe space and stop “whining”

Right, I guess you would tell immigrants they’re free to join another country.

Thanks for calling it “whining” when people engage in conversation about how to organize. You seem nice and tolerant. Not toxic, lover of safe (cruel?) spaces.

Defederating instances doesn’t just block a hateful subreddit. It blocks all the communities and members.

Also, we totally 100% thrived among them before they were banned.

Also, they didn’t always ban them. They sometimes just blocked them from /r/all but we could still go read them and interact.

Defederation is unhealthy and gross.

It’s more of an opportunity than a great. More avenues for data collection and control. If we migrate somewhere else then they will follow. They’re not going to stop wanting our data, and controlling our interactions, and manipulating our behavior.

Right, but social media (and any social movement) needs to have some degree of blood-pumping excitement. Constructive criticism is super important, but so is passionate people yelling at each other. The important thing is that we’re emotionally mature enough to handle each other’s passion. If infighting leads to people crying “defederate now!” then that’s a problem. But “constructive” criticism can lead to the same fracturing.

Let’s just ride the waves and steer this thing somewhere cool and strong! And it’s fine if “infighting” is part of the engine that keeps the digital blood pumping.

I agree.

BUT some degree of infighting means we’re alive and engaged with the platform. I think it’s healthy infighting.

You are… taking part in the conversation with me. So you do think there’s a conversation to be had. And this whole site is a conversation site.

You’re worked up. Relax. I haven’t hurt you.

And of course democracy includes sharing our opinions about how to run things.

And if you don’t think corporations can undermine grass roots movements then you’re the one who’s uninformed.

Our complaints are part of an ongoing conversation about the future of the fediverse. This is a super important moment, and this is the right time for us to flesh out all the little details in our arguments. It’s fine for you to disagree, but it’s weird for you to jump in and complain about the fact that we’re sharing our opinions.

We’re not exactly doing a mutiny or anything. We are sharing our opinions on a forum.

You’re literally and explicitly intolerant.

you don’t mind defederation as long as it suits your interests

I want to keep reddit & meta corporate goons from taking over this corner of the internet. That’s completely different from preventing two people from communicating via federated networks. This is totally consistent with giving control to the users. I want the users to have control, and to NOT have it taken away by admins. In both scenarios this is what I’m arguing for, and that’s clear and obvious.

F off back to exploding heads you troll.

If you talk this way to people who respectfully disagree, you’re the same kind of toxic person that you want to ban. The defederation is fueled by hate. You’re so eager to exile. And that’s consistent with your ugly remarks to me.

So you’re pretending that users who call for defederating an alt-right instance are basically trolls that created their account just for that and to divide users?

Nope. I’m saying defederation plays into the hands of BigSocial. They’re laughing as we divide ourselves so they can easily conquer.

When it’s well known that it’s alt-right communities that are filled with bots and foreign troll farms?

Many troll farms are not foreign, you xenophobe!

And are YOU “pretending” that every shitposter and non-politically-correct interlocutor is a “foreign” (??) troll bot?

Remember, we didn’t leave reddit because of trolls. We left reddit because of overbearing admins. I don’t want to also leave lemmy because of overbearing admins.

They block spam, they don’t block servers just because people are emailing shitposts or being politically incorrect.

Blocking spam servers is totally different from blocking “problematic” servers.

Spam servers constitute a technical issue so I think that defederating them is entirely different from just defederating instances that allow trolls and right wingers (or centrists or whatever).