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Your topic’s a false premise. First of all it’s totally valid to criticize someone for something that couldn’t apply in the current situation, because what’s being criticized is the decisions and attitudes that their actions reveal.

Meta’s refusal to moderate a website they control after multiple warnings that it was being used to incite genocide speaks to their institutional values, accountability, and culture.

By contrast, plenty of instance owners have shown responsibility, accountability, and good faith about admins moderating the instances they control.

try to be accurate and concise.

Lol that’s condescending, and it’s also a bit offputting. I come here to bloviate thank you very much. :)

The thing is though, I’m not part of the wider conversation about facebook above. You glommed onto a very simple, very specific point I made to someone else about the human impact of social media incitements to genocide.

What Meta did to the ICC isn’t even related to my above link (which is about the Tigray genocide, not the Myanmar genocide). But it’s well-documented, and I’m not interested in rehashing it here.

@VirtualOdour the point of me sharing that article was just to try to put a human dimension on genocide for that callous person above.

Meta have been implicated in at least two genocides now and openly obstructed the International Criminal Court in their investigation of one of them. I think people are only pointing that out to show how evil Meta are.

But if you want to know what specifically they will do to ActivityPub, the other article I shared has more direct relevance: How to kill a decentralized network.

It’s a really inappropriate comparison tho.

There’s also some great irony in the fact that they’re talking about genocide while advocating for using the nuclear option to block Facebook despite the massive number of innocent casualties it’ll cause.

Sir/Madame, not being able to see some online content is nothing at all like having your family members murdered in real life.

Read A Death Sentence For My Father sometime and you will see.

TIL Lemmy doesn’t allow you to follow people. Wtf.

I think this article, How to kill a decentralized network, gives one of the best explanations, because it uses a real world example of how it has happened in the past.

@Ghostalmedia

we’re not going to see them here. We can’t. That hasn’t been built.

It has been partially built insofar as Kbin and Mbin can see Mastodon posts here and Mastodon interacts with us. Wouldn’t surprise me if Lemmy eventually gets some of that functionality too.

If Meta starts to EEE ActivityPub that will affect all of us.

@qjkxbmwvz I think the main fear is Embrace Extend Extinguish.

It’s not about interacting with Threadworms, it’s about sleepwalking into a situation where Meta is changing the very nature of ActivityPub itself.

Nah, I’m good.

@PositiveNoise idk, seems to me the big countries suffer from too much legislative capture for that.

I live in a country where I do my taxes for free with one click and we don’t use paypal because we can all make free bank- to- bank deposits that clear in less than an hour.

And the reason the US doesn’t have these basic things I’ve had for a decade is because of lobbying from Turbotax and the like.

Makes sense. I knew that about NZ and tech like cellphones, didn’t realise Philippines was the Asian test market though.

Sinking lid policy, I love it. Honestly it’s like he’s trying to kill TwitX.

This change will go live today for new users in New Zealand and the Philippines.

Omg I’m dying, why NZ and the Philippines?!

NZ literally just had a general election so it’s going to mess up a lot of whatever change in astroturfing was about to happen, is all I can think of.

Downvote and move on, your time is wasted

Lol no kid, downvoting only mattered on reddit.

Those of us on kbin can even see which accounts are doing the downvoting. It loses its power.

If you don’t like seeing me school you, block me.

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Of course they are not factual.

seems unlikely to me that the equivalent descendants of those people would live without civilization.

Some of the people who were trafficked were a lot more literate and well-educated than their captors or eventual “owners”.

I really wish the history of the African kingdoms was taught in schools. Or even basic modern politics and society since the person you’re replying to seems to think modern people living in Lagos or wherever are “running from lions” somehow.

Poverty, perhaps

We’re dealing with counterfactuals here but:

…in a world where the African kingdoms were able to freely exchange culture and inventions with the West instead of being attacked and exploited by them for hundreds of years, we have no reason at all to think those in the world’s second largest continent, such a resource-rich place, would be living in poverty at all.

When I was a kid, there was this joke that involved getting a calculator to say “boobs” and then with a bit more input, “boobless”.

Journalism is currently going through a more sophisticated version of this with AI.

LLMs will say whatever. They don’t think and they don’t care. They contradict themselves all the time. Not so long ago Chat GPT was saying it would kill the entire world population and save Musk for the good of humanity.

Various CEOs of large companies, on the other hand, have been implicated in genocides and slavery for centuries now. That’s very real.

However, had we not brought them over here, it’s a good possibility they would still be running from lions.

Facepalm. World history needs to be taught much, much better.

I don’t know which is more cringeworthy here, the ignorance or the part where you proudly claim your statements are “factual.”

Yeah the article ends up pretty much making this point too:

We’re at the dawn of a platform shift. As Google tunes its algorithms and incorporates more AI content into its search results, the business model of the entire internet is undergoing an unpredictable change. Over the long term, Reddit’s scrambling efforts at financial security may prove just as futile as the moderators’ attempts to fight back.

I’m really glad to be out from under all that corporate social media bs.

Me too. Can’t even remember who mentioned Kbin but it’s perfect for me.

I’d heard of the fediverse too, and I liked the idea of decentralised social media.

But it was way down on my list of “things I guess I should learn about but don’t have time for.”

Reddit blackout gave me both motive and opportunity to learn, and I’ve never looked back.