Those articles are describing a very different thing. Jon is not saying (or supporting your implied claim that) Mastodon is a white supremacist service, let alone a white-supremacist community. In fact, for both Lemmy and Mastodon, they praise the responses of staff to racist content. As far as I can tell, the closest is them saying that their broader society is white supremacist and that has systematic implications on Mastodon which typical users can be ignorant or dismissive of.

Freedom of speech may be great in the abstract, as an ideal, but unfortunately it isn’t very useful when speech platforms are controlled by the owning class. Our speech means little compared to the speech of national TV channels, news outlets and restricted social platforms. The utopian marketplace of ideas becomes a rigged supermarket.

I highly recommend the book Manufacturing Consent, which explains some core systematic factors which shape the US mass media (also applicable to other countries) into essentially a largely-homogeneous echo chamber without the need for legally censoring opposing speech.

Frankly, doing this openly on X/Twitter versus some obscure unknown forum or encrypted platforn is a positive.

Hardly - they’re doing this to spread their message, not to have a good faith discussion and expose themselves to other viewpoints. It’s purely predatory, and removing their platform reduces their impact. Yes, they will always find ways to communicate but they struggle more to find ways to advertise and recruit without public platforms amplifying them.

‘ex-4chan users’ isn’t really an important criteria, especially if you’re including the people posting there before 2016. In fact, some hobby boards like /co/, /mu/ and /lit/ were notoriously left-wing. “Ex-” usually means the ones who were smart enough to leave.

But furthermore, calling Mastodon a white supremacist site is just funny. Might as well be saying that about Lemmy.

America, the state, is white-supremacist and has been since birth. Absolutely. Although that’s not good logic for explaining how. I doubt most voters for Trump did so because of his or their racist views, there were plenty of other policies (sorry, ideas and themes) Trump platformed on that appealed to them.

The amount of Democrat supporters again surprised at how non-whites can possibly vote for Trump on a non-trivial scale is a testament to why it’s important to understand voting patterns beyond race ideology, beyond “Trump is a disgusting racist, only a white supremacist would vote for them.”, especially if you’re on the ground trying to organize your community to create the positive changes neither candidate can offer.

I would take the job just to make sure we can sabotage it. And I’m not even affected by their adblocker detection; I just yt-dlp and NewPipe the videos.

How is that Stalinist? Censorship isn’t some unique rare policy, even 5EYES countries regularly challenge the legality of E2EE.

Yeah, this site is in early stages and if someone just wants to be babysat… we literally don’t have the manpower for that yet! A smaller dedicated userbase is more important at this stage than mindless growth.

Disclaimer: I am not a dev, my technical understanding is limited, and I only discovered kbin today.

The difference is that they are running completely different software, despite speaking the same* language (‘protocol’). There may be some things one software does that another can’t. I wonder if it’s easier to answer what distinguishes it, or what makes them similar. They’re both link aggregators (the same kind of website as reddit, e.g. people post links to groups and they get voted up or down by subscribers), and they’re both able to process each other’s posts and see each other’s groups (kbin calls them magazines, apparently, while we call them communities. I don’t know if that’s purely semantic or if there is a profound difference). So as far as basic usage goes, both can make a post and unless they do something fancy, the other site can read and reply to it.

kbin has a different visual layout and appears to have more focus on also having microblogging and social media features within those groups, we don’t have that feature and integration with Mastodon can be a bit stranger here (such as them replying to replies, in my experience it doesn’t nest neatly like ours do, instead just showing as a reply to the original post, and maybe that’s unavoidable when a twitter-like thread without proper comment replying has to fit our comments layout). It seems Lemmy has stayed closer to what reddit is like, while kbin has strayed into a more experimental approach.

kbin says “This is a very early beta version, and a lot of features are currently broken or in active development, such as federation” (and I have noticed the federation doesn’t show some posts yet which would be expected to show). Lemmy doesn’t seem to have such disclaimers. It’s current version number suggests it is considered more mature, but still not particularly stable either.

kbin seems to have a mobile app under development, while Lemmy’s seem to be more mature. That said, I’ve never used one.

Why should we just accept that some naïve twitter refugees have misassociated the Fediverse as being just Mastodon? This isn’t branding, this is raising awareness of the interrelatedness of this federated network! Disassociating from the Fediverse just makes the problem worse, I’d say.

The Fediverse. There’s nothing inherently special about Lemmy or kbin or lotide being link aggregators. We get regular posters from Friendica and I’ve gotten replies from Mastodon accounts before.

The Fediverse is ALL of us. We should be interacting with PeerTube and Misskey and all the rest!

Torvalds is the kind who doesn’t get into the religious wars, like FOSS vs proprietary and such. So I’m not at all surprised by their post.