In the end, there is this great fear of “the AI is going to fully replace us developers” and the reality is that while that may be a possibility one day, it wont be any day soon.
You still need people with deep technical knowledge to pilot the AI and drive it to an implemented solution.
AI isnt the end of the industry, it has just greatly sped up the industry.
Developing with ChatGPT feels bizzarely like when Tony Stark invented a new element with Jarvis’ assistance.
It’s a prolonged back and forth, and you need to point out the AIs mistakes and work through a ton of iterations to get something that is close enough that you can tweak it and use, but it’s SO much faster than trawling through Stack Overflow or hoping someone who knows more than you can answer a post for you.
Thank you for your TED talk defining enshitification.
Middle management bloat.
Edit: Bonus points for
Developers knowing how to write secure code helps, so they should theoretically also be capable of QA themselves to a degree.
Which is straight up just saying “why don’t the devs just do it themselves? I’m busy with meetings to whine back and forth with other middle management.”
That’s a fair point.
When I departed QA myself, it was in the onset of automation.
In return, when the QA jobs disappeared, I learned basic scripting and started automating BI processes.
So, I would say:
I should hope modern QA departments (as I am told they exist) are automated and share both their tests and their results with devs in an efficient manner.
I don’t think QA departments really exist today in a substantive way, and if they do, it isnt in as cooperative of a fashion as described in 1.
I still have observed a world where QA went bye bye. Planning? Drafting a Scope of Work? Doing a proper analysis of the solution you are seeking, fleshing it out, and setting a comprehensive list of firm requirements that define delivery of said solution? Offering the resources to test the deliverable against the well documented and established requirements to give the all clear before the solution is delivered?
Doesn’t exist anymore, and modern “QA” is being the lemming who sits in meetings as listens to the management, then schedules meetings to sit and complain at the Dev about how they aren’t “hitting the mark” (Because it was about 4 feet directly in front of them when they published, and is now at 5 erratically placed spaces behind them).
I guess I’m just being a snob here.
I worked for an actual QA department that produced actual documentation and ran actual full scale QA cycles.
In the past 15 years, I have seen that practice all but fully disappear and be replaced by people who click at things until they find 1 thing, have a verbal meeting vaguely describing it, and repeat 2 to 3 times a day.
IMO, that isn’t QA. It’s being lazy, illiterate, and whiny while making the dev do ALL of the actual work.
A devout Kool aid drinker I see.
Did you buy that Kool aid with your story points?
I hear they have a competitive exchange rate to Stanley nickels.
Which, when put to practice, means QAs become BAs, no comprehensive QA occurs, and when the code is shit because they have no actual QA support and the scope changes constantly with no firm documented requirements, the dev gets fired.
Great model for people who like to sit in meetings and complain.
Horrible model for the people who actually work.
Still working.
I stopped being able to find QA work in the early 2010s or so. Converted to BI Developer. Have not encountered a dedicated QA at any of the small assortment of jobs I have had since.
Edit: And fair, despite it being a waste of time cult mentality engineered to make developers suffer and enshitify software quality, Agile got enough Kool aid drinkers to qualify it as more than a fad.
Yes grasshopper.
I was a QA for over 15 years.
Then the “Agile” fad ripped through the industry and QA died.
A) People still get paid to do dedicated QA?
B) If you really think that, you must be a noob.
With what?
Facebook has been death rattling for the better part of a decade.
The metaverse failed.
Oh shit… the Oculus.
Cheaper means higher volume means spy-ie-er.
So that’s how they could afford that NEARLY UNANIMOUS bill.
To be fair, I have a vive and it is just as much of a data breach.
Rams through major bribery to kill TikTok and try to force a sell to Facebook.
Immediately sets up a Threads account.
Tik Tak Toe.
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I have said nowhere to prohibit social people from being social outside of work.
This entire thread is about forcing everyone to socialize with their coworkers for 10 percent of their time on the clock.
Stop goal post moving.
So from this I hear “stress out the introverts to bully them into silence and it’s so much easier for the extroverts scheduling the meetings to figure out where they can claim credit having only scheduled meetings”.
Gotcha.
I dont know, just sounds like a extrovert saying a bunch of touchy feely shit that amounts to “I might suck at the job but I have great people skills!”
But why? Why can’t that work for you?
So you can ensure that the person who is doing great work isn’t one of “them”?
Work is professional. It’s work. Social is informal. It’s not work.
What exactly is it that makes you need to mix the two?
I am an extremely introverted person with pretty extreme social anxiety.
The only reasons I can come up with for NEEDING to force social situations into work are nefarious.
And notice, I’m not saying work anonymously. Zoom makes sense when the processes are that lacking.
The company doesn’t own the buildings, but the owners of the company, the ones that would see the bonus money for selling the buildings (company savings on rent and a terminated lease), own the buildings.
So there are a lot of mental gymnastics, but the punchline is that the company does own the buildings with a lot of rotten little pockets in the irs filings…
Your initial and final statement, while both true, do very much contradict eachother.
I like almost all of his rhetoric, but his 90/10 rule is only 90 percent of the way to being correct.
The real joke was the pain that every developer feels when the end user gives such useful and actionable feed back as “It broke. Fix. Unga bunga.”
“It works on my machine” is trying to be polite when, after hours and hours of trying to teach a person how to report a bug with necessary information, all they ever get is “It broke. Fix. Unga bunga.”