Good second half too:

That search/SEO is broken seems to be part of the game plan here.

It’s probably like Russia burning Moscow against Napoleon and a hell of a privilege Google enjoy with their monopoly.

I’ve seen people opt for chatGPT/AI precisely because it’s clean, simple and spam free, because it isn’t Google Search.

And as @caseynewton said … the web is now in managed decline.

For those of us who like it, it’s up to us to build what we need for ourselves. Big tech has moved on

That’s why we are all here.

It’s interesting to think that Big Tech might just move on from the Web, leaving it to us ordinary humans to go back to the way we were doing it in Web 1.0 just with fancier tools at our disposal. I quite like the idea.

It feels like there’s an opportunity for shenanigans here.

I’m on a Firefish instance and have been really enjoying the features but the constant *key forks and failures means I am not exactly committing myself to it (I also have a Mastodon account). However, I am also not the biggest micro-blogger as that needs brevity. Perhaps when/if I find the right home that’ll change.

Realistically, platforms on the fedi are much closer in design to their commercial conterparts than one would hope for if your goal was community building and situating the process of digital/online community building within the community themselves.

It’s still relatively early days yet. A lot of Fediverse services mimic commercial ones because it makes it an easier pitch to people “it’s like that but open and privacy-respecting”. Hopefully, as they mature they’ll evolve away from this. In addition, now more people are comfortable with the Fediverse they’ll start to create new and unique platforms.

I started a post along these lines on !ibis@lemmy.ml. I, personally, think this will be the killer application for Ibis.

¡Muchas gracias!

Synchronicity!

I don’t know if you read the entire transcript, but I bolded what I think you might want to see:

Thanks for flagging that up, there is a lot there beyond just RSS readers and I have been merrily noting down bits that touch on my broader concerns. They mention it early on: “the deterioration of the open web” of which the sidelining of RSS readers is a symptom (after Google Reader died, I migrated to Feedly and have tries some FOSS alternatives but it isn’t the same, partly because the Web isn’t the same but also I am wary about going all in on a service that could be bought up and/or die at someone else’s whims. Why I am looking for Fediverse solutions). With the rise of Big Tech and their social media companies, it felt like all the utopian dreams and energy were funneled into walled gardens and, at the time, that seemed an acceptable compromise to help get the waves of new users online with free and convenient platforms available to help ease them into web life. It’s only with the enshittification of social media that it has become clear that it wasn’t worth it.

That’s why I am enthusiastic about the Fediverse as it feels like the more natural evolution of the web - as if some clever soul had come along and looked at all the forums and blogs then asked “what if they could talk to each other?” And it’s good but it could do better and the things they discuss on their are key - curation and allowing people with niche interests to discover each other. I’ve been kicking around a few ideas like this for a while on here (most recently a federated Delicious, Fedilicious, which would integrate well with a Fediverse as the latter pumps content in and the former shares and categorises the various links that get discovered) and am now putting in a bit more focus to take notes as I go. So, in that respect, that article was very useful for thinking more broadly on the issue, and raising RSS readers as a good option (newsletters might have to wait).

I agree with you on most levels, but I think the author is leaving it more up to developers to develop a site that brings back RSS feeds and newsletters to the masses.

I’ve been mulling over the idea of a Fediverse RSS reader (Feediverse?) that would run alongside other services. Lemmy is a link aggregator and having an RSS reader plug-in on the same instance would make sharing links across pretty seamless.

It would also help address issues like not being able to follow people on Lemmy as you could have a “follow” link that punts the individual’s RSS feed over to the reader.

I like it.

Tags solve a few problems:

• they add context to posts and we all want a semantic web
• they would allow people to find posts and content across the Fediverse where, despite ActivityPub) it can be difficult finding material between different services. One click of a tag and we can see posts on, cfir example, Stonehenge on Lemmy, Mastodon, Pixelfed, PeerTube, BookWyrm, etc or multi-tag to see only selfies taken there or news or scientific articled, etc.

Most people would just do this anyway if available (I always run fine-grained categorisation where available) but gamify it you get a lot better coverage, especially if people can tag other people’s posts, and the coverage would be a lot more comprehensive.

Fediseer would seem like a good hub for this but there’s nothing stopping a FediTag or FediHub springing up or you could federate it, so there’d be lots of instances - lemmy.world could run tag.lemmy.world and all the tags on l.w would point to it. It may even be possible for various services to bundle this in, so all tags are “local” and your, for example, l.w account gives you an account on the l.w FediTag instance so you can follow them, get notifications of new posts, etc.

Sorry, just thinking outloud but I like it even more.

Good one.

It’s a name I came up with a while ago and still like it as it avoids the need to start with “Fedi” and has an appropriate double meaning. Plus, in this context, it handily starts with a “W”.

Well-versed

It’s almost sad to see that he can’t see where the actual problem lies. Almost.

What’s the word for realizing to have been sucked into the Fediverse and actually forgotten that you are using the Fediverse? Fedi-Immersion-Shock?

FedHead.

I didn’t know that. All very odd.

I want these to be two separate posts sometimes.

They are two separate posts, it’s just cross-posting won’t flood your instances “all” feed. They would still appear as a post in /c/London and one in /c/NewYork with separate comment threads

Is that a grouping the user makes?

In the Reddit apps that had multi-sub functionality then I believe they were user created but this is a brave new world and we don’t have to do it that way. People or instances or communities could create multi-communities and people could subscribe to them so only a central file would be updated. If it stopped being updated or was too broad or too specific, it could be forked. I wonder if that could even be rolled into a possible future wiki system as it need only be a text-based file listing the communities.

I think multi-communities will solve a lot of this - you can group, for example, all the movie communities together or the meme ones and get a coherent feed, so it wouldn’t really matter which you posted to.

The UI could detect sibling cross-posts and suppress multiple mentions of the same post if you’re subscribed to multiple sibling communities, maybe with a “cross-sibling post” designation. That way it only shows up once in your feed.

Doesn’t this already happen? At least within an instance, my experience is that, if you cross-post, the second post doesn’t appear in your all feeds.

Web rings were definitely a thing.