Lol I didn’t read the community name and for just a second thought I was back on r/kitchenconfidential. Wish they’d make the move over here already!

Oh! I misunderstood lol. Honestly, I have some of these same questions, so I wish I could help here but I cannot, sorry.

Ah damn, thanks. I’ll eventually host my own server one day!

I’ve been hearing about this “bridging” thing. Is it possible to bridge into an IRC network that hasn’t been bridged yet? My options seem to be “OFTC, Snoonet, W3C” but I want to bridge to another network, and I don’t know if I even can or if I have to be a server admin or something.

I’ve gotten a few people on element and some of them even use it to varying degrees! Don’t bother with the “federation” thing, just let them go with matrix.org or tell them what server to use and how to make element use it on sign up, even better if you can say “lemme see that phone real fast” and hand it back saying “type a username and pass, don’t lose the pass!”

My issue is the IOS client for element won’t let people sign up without email AND removes the “email notifications for this acct” tic box thingy, so you need to use a junk email or sign in on the pc client (or web client) and then check that box which works acct wide. I use GrapheneOS but for my IOS friends it is a pain during sign up, and they never want to give it the ability to notify (which imo is pretty important in a chat application), I just don’t get iphone users tbh.

No, he means from a server. Either a VPS, a physical server you buy, or an old laptop in the corner that you keep always running (idk if that’s enough for matrix, I want to host my own for about the same number of people but have yet to take the plunge. Also want to host myself a nextcloud instance, a jellyfin server, and motioneyeos. One day…)

My instance is for members of a certain group, had to email the owner a picture of your card to get in. More instances should exist like that. General instances are great but it’s nice knowing all the people on my local are in this group too.

Ok pal.

You implied that their decline was due to one incident in 1958 and the prowess of the FBI, at least, and I disagree. I, like the historians, attribute it to the KKK’s failings and the Civil Rights movement’s winnings.

You were replying to (and “correcting me” on) a post claiming that “the kkk isn’t ilegal, but commiting crimes dressed as one or otherwise is illegal” so I figured you disagreed since you argued against it, my mistake, I guess your “correction” was misplaced.

I believe that part is what one would consider “crime.”

It is still, currently, not illegal to be in the kkk or be a racist POS no matter what either of us think about that. It still exists actually, remember 2016? David Duke, the leader of the thing, who is a real person who’s name and location is known, has not been arrested for being the leader of the thing, supported trump on the news? They do get arrested for crimes they commit all the time of course, since they often do commit crimes, but putting on a hood and saying stupid shit is simply not one of them.

There have actually been three separate KKKs btw. The first one was actually made illegal, but that was declared unconstitutional in the 1880s. Making it illegal actually isn’t what killed it either, it continued on even as people got locked up, the leader disbanded it because it was becoming generalized violence and he “only” wanted racist violence, he basically said “look how they massacred my boy” and pulled the plug. And then the supreme court case said it was unconstitutional.

The second one in the 20s had somehow convinced it’s members they were upstanding members of society, until their leader got convicted of rape and murder, and all the protestants they had recruited said “are we the baddies?” So they splintered and declined for years, until the organization literally got sold, and the IRS hit them with a lein for back taxes, and they shuttered their doors like a failed company.

Then from there they tried to immediatly start a new one a few years later from what was left, but it was outed in superman comics and books, more splintering and low membership as a result, the civil rights movement won, more splintering and low membership, and now we’re at today, where historians attribute the decline to the Klan’s lack of competence in the use of the Internet, their history of violence, a proliferation of competing hate groups, and a decline in the number of young racist activists who are willing to join groups at all.

Again, though the klan has been in decline steadily since like 1945, it is still legal, so “making it illegal” clearly isn’t what caused the decline. The decline was caused by Superman…

…Or you know, that stuff I said earlier about exposure to other people, culture, and art making them not want to be racist against those people. Don’t minimize the role desegregation and the civil rights movement played in all of that, it wasn’t just the FBI (who killed MLK btw) prosecuting the criminals in the kkk, it was people of different races playing together on the playground, eating lunch together in the cafeteria, and becoming the next generation of kkk “recruits” that wanted fuck all to do with them since they already knew how dumb it was due to those experiences. Literally, people like MLK “won,” unless you count “winning” complete destruction, but I’d count 3,000 total members (down from 4-6 million peak) out of 334,967,580 total US population low enough to call a win, personally, and again that isn’t because the FBI made the klan “illegal.”

Ah well there goes my theory lol. Thanks for the info.

I’m betting they saw his requested uname is also used on a sh.itjustworks (wherever the dots go ffs) account and that played a part, since they defederated with those guys. Just a feeling I get.

Actually, it is legal to be in the kkk, or organize as the kkk, assemble and spread those ideals. It is not legal for them to commit crimes like arson (cross burning) or murder (lynching), or conspiring to do those crimes, but simply existing, calling yourselves the kkk, wearing hoods, and saying racist shit is legal.

In fact:

that didn’t go away by trying to compromise with them!

Actually, it kinda did. More accurately, it “went away” by convincing their potential converts (mostly their kids) that those old fashioned ideals are stupid and untrue, it was actually exactly through conversation and exposure to other cultures and their arts that the kkk saw their numbers dwindle to their meager membership levels of today.

I’m not saying we need to follow that playbook, just because it worked once doesn’t mean it will again I suppose, but it was through discussion that their membership suffered, not through “bans” (or in this context making being in the kkk illegal. Since it isn’t illegal, they can’t have done that.)