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A highly compatible design with no ads, unnecessary images, videos, animations, scripts that goes straight to point delivering you exactly the information you need and nothing else? Something that’s easily accessible even with old feature phones allowing older people to get information easily?
Simply something that loads instantly and just works?Who would want that?
Found the backend dev. “CUT THIS AESTHETICS NONSENSE! GIMME THE VARIABLE CONTENTS ALREADY! WE’RE 3.54 NANOSECONDS BEHIND!”
Frontend: “Come on, this needs at least some flair. This isn’t the 90s.”
Throws React at it
React ugh, everybody is using NextJs these da- …oh, what’s that? We’ve moved on already?
yeah, just css is enough.
you don’t need js unless you need to fetch data dynamically.
you can do all of your animations, dropdowns and transitions in css.
like this menu i made. no js in sight.also fully accessible and you can tab right into it without clicking enter or whatever
(and respects prefers-reduced-motion)
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basic responsiveness to support most devices
Dude, that is the mother of responiveness. It literally supports all the devices.
Entirely true.
I’m currently working on a little project that’s interesting to me (a low-spoiler walkthrough system for adventure games) and after a lot of back and forth, I decided to cut all of JS out of the picture. Just get rid of all of it, and do good old 90s server-side rendered HTML with modern CSS placed on top of it.
And that’s, honestly, a joy. The first draft of a page looks like the first screenshot, then you add some semantic classes to the html and throw some simple CSS at it and it looks acceptably neat. And I could get rid of so much janky toolchain I just fail to understand.
No one who is going to pay you wants that. All they care about is user engagement.
what is wrong with this frontend? not enough ads? loads too quickly?
I would hire you as my lawyer.
Honestly, no units
It’s the temperature in Paris so I assume it’s Celsius.
Well, even when visiting this Website from New York? Or if this website is hosted in New York? So many questions arise from assuming :)
No designated time zone.
Man, hyperlinks need to be a different colour…
No cookie banner with the worst dark patterns of UX imaginable
just missing some flexbox basically
love me some flexbox
The page at the top looks perfectly fine. It’s useful, it gets the job done and it’s lightweight.
almost as good as the motherfucking website. :D
I like the better motherfucking website
what about the best motherfucking website?
That’s pretty good too
Hate it, fuck that low contrast bullshit that makes me think my glasses are dirtier than they actually are.
the better motherfucking website is shit
I’m on mobile and the only difference i see is the lines of text on the “better” one are spaced more so I have to scroll farther.
Is it more legible? No, I’m not a fucking donkey and I can read a block of text like a normal person.
mobile layout on desktop, grey text, no https, slow remote font
It’s mostly about line width on desktop, the rest is whimsical filler content. Compare the sites in landscape orientation.
also no https and grey text
That person must have his monitor in vertical orientation
Shorter lines are easier to read because it’s easier to find the beginning of the next one. Rule of thumb is indeed a maximum of about 80 characters, go take a random printed book and see how long the lines are they’re like that for a reason. (Newspapers are shorter because smaller print, also, more opportunities for headlinest).
The contrast and line spacing stuff – debatable. But adjusting line-width is pretty much a must. Not doing anything somewhat worked on 4:3 monitors but it’s definitely awkward on 16:9 and on 21:9 your head is definitely on a swivel.
Oh and those large margins are very useful for things like footnotes, btw, or meta-information about the text (like those textbook “this is an exercise” stylings, just move the marking over to the margin). There’s also plenty of place for a hierarchical list of contents, always on screen, and various other nav stuff. None of that will degrade loading or runtime performance to any noticable degree.
Also of course note that that’s for text-heavy content, stuff you read as in reading an article or book, not stuff you look at in the sense of “reading” a poster. In this case you can e.g. turn those bullet-points into rectangular areas (also come up with a sixth one, then) and display them in a grid, each containing, well, what they contain now but also a link to further information. You see that pattern all over the place on the modern web and it’s a good one. Would need quite a bit more content than is present on those websites, though, otherwise you have more navigation shenanigans than content. You don’t need a fucking library index for a post-it note.
Source: My HTML is rusty as fuck but I know TeX.
Counterargument: if you need narrower text, you can adjust the size of your browser window. If I want wider text, you’ve capped it.
That is absolutely horrible UX: User interaction should not be required for your site to be legible. If you are one of the 0.000001% of people who wants all line breaks to vanish configure reader view yourself and hit that button, but don’t force 99.999999% of users to make that extra click.
…also, nothing whatsoever is stopping you from making line width adjustable within the page itself.
You sound like a backend developer.
maybe 🤣
It’s almost fine. It needs to include units for the measurements.
Oh thank goodness my browser doesn’t have to download hundreds of js and assets just to use a damn calculator
The top one’s a motherfucking website, indeed.
motherfucking website
One of my all time faves!
RIP txti.es
What happened with it?
As far as I understand, they were offering free hosting and bad actors took advantage. They didn’t want to start charging so they closed down. Like giving out candies on Halloween and one asshole takes the whole bowl. No candies for you kid, sorry.
God I wish weather pages were more like that first one.
I like to use this one: https://wttr.in/
You can get info for a specific city by appending it like this: https://wttr.in/newyork
Tysm
It seems to be down right now, but if i remember correctly this one also works when you are using a terminal and curl, i.E.
curl wttr.in/newyorkEdit: It works again, you can use the command as written above :D
Nice thanks.
I can make HTML look alright if I have to and it’s simple enough requirements.
The real hell is making it look good in an email. Oh, you used something from the last 20 years of HTML/CSS progress? Well fuck you.
But that’s mostly because Outlook is still holding us back. Come on, Microsoft, please let it die in peace already.
Never going to happen, same for Excel.
Whatever future iteration of ChatGPT that eventually enslaves the human race will be using Outlook and Excel to keep track of the genocide.
They actually made it worse in the latest version! They went from using the CSS2 standard, which was already like 20 years old, to using MS Word as the rendering engine. I would like to find whoever was in charge of that idea and slap them with a large trout. My guess is that they got a bonus by laying off whatever team was in charge of the CSS2 integration and saved a bunch of money by utilizing another program attached to some other team’s budget. MS employees are always trying to shift their costs onto other teams.
As a backend developer who occasionally has to work on the frontend, that top image is pretty accurate although it requires bootstrap smeared all over to pretty things up a bit. After that it will have the “Good Enough” seal of approval.
Looks like a perfectly fine frontend to me.
Good, that we have specialists for both and nobody is advocating that everyone should be doing full-stack work… oh wait.
As a full stack developer I can assure you I can easily produce the result displayed in both those panels in the image 😏
In fact, I probably will make both of those first intentionally or not.
username checks out
Full-stack development and devops: When you need an entire IT department but only want to pay for one person.
“Full-stack” is just a term invented by stingy employers who try to get 2 for the price of 1
Specialists, ah I wish I could experience that. Maybe then I would be able to see my long lost love c++ again. Instead, I must give my love freely. Javascript, Java, Kubernetes, Go, many names flit through when profit is the goal. Someday maybe, hopefully, ChatGPT will end my tired soul.
Asa backend dev, it should be a 503 error. I live in 503 land.
A proper backend developer would have the query be a URL using the GET method with a parameter that the user can fill-in directly in the address bar and the result be a text/plain page with just a bunch of numbers separated by pipe characters (or an application/json page with that info encoded as JSON if you wanna be fancy).
This has the added advantage of working both for humans and as an API for use in machine to machine communications via HTTP.
I do front and backend work. Biggest issue I see is people not thinking through interfaces properly (e.g. efficiencies & atomicity of operations), sanitizing inputs on both sides, error handling, and putting in the appropriate validation, authorization & testing.
My SO just said your comment applies to sex just as well 🤣🤣🤣
The frontend developer made the backend so inefficient that it runs out of memory
They have this cool hack where they emulate Edge within Node.js and then run their stuff as a webpage within Edge.
What if I want the weather in Paris, TX?
You need to fire a gun and to a really good bald eagle impression.
in Paris
in Paris
in Paris
in Paris
What is this bloat? Trash site.
It’s meant to be used like this:
curl localhost:8000/?city=Paris | grep Temperature >> TemperaturesOfTheWorld.logYou can see the programmer used Copilot, who in their right mind would want to type <?php echo htmlspecialchars($city); ?> four times
Honestly you don’t even need to make the text field visible. If they can’t touch-type that’s on them.
I would prefer a dropdown list of all possible coordinate combinations.
Pfft just go there and feel the air yourself. Knowing the weather in advance is bloat anyway. If medieval sailors could launch ships without weather info and survive 30% of the time, you can too.
Imagine having to rely on physical senses to determine the weather, how pathetic. Honestly if you can’t infer weather patterns from learned data then better get back to that CSS.
Who was in Paris?
I mean maybe B’Ellana if Tom was into some kinky shit but we aren’t talking about Voyager right now.
