Nah, didn’t mind the meme!

I totally accept that Eclipse doesn’t work for and life is too short to waste it on tooling.

In that sense, good luck with your current & future setups and happy coding! :-)

Eclipse has its share of problems (and outdated UI and workflows), still I’ll happily use it over IntelliJ w/o hesitation.

Funnily enough, a lot of other (Java)Senior developers who tried both are fine with Eclipse, too.

Besides the astroturfing from IDEA which is really annoying, Eclipse integrates far better with standard build tools and is our last descend Open Source IDE (Netbeans effectively being a zombie at this time).

IDEA is already pushing/forcing their own solutions/build tools/etc. to up sell their shit, once Eclipse is gone, there will be no alternative and IDEA/IntelliJ will start the entshittifaction…

People really forgot what a shit show were the 90s, paying lots of money for commercial IDEs.

I agree with your points, but by that logic, Google (Android), Apple and all other smartphone/smart appliances provider should be sued, too. Think about FaceTime(?), Apple Safari (where they even force their shitty browser engine on iOS on you) etc.

If we all agree that this bundles are a problem, the solution is simply: Don’t allow any bundling at all, for no one.

Microsoft does Microsoft things.

I complain about the EU and my own technical incompetent government for a simple reason:

For years now, we have Open Source Software that is good enough ™ for the public sector, and for example the French police showed already that you can move to Linux (https://www.zdnet.com/article/french-police-move-from-windows-to-ubuntu-linux/).

The EU should get independent of Microsoft for something so important like the IT infrastructure, instead of painting lipstick on a pig.

Edit: And if the EU is independent from Microsoft, I would prefer to use a messaging system like Matrix instead of blowing money into something like Slack.

I totally grasp the situation. The same could be said about notepad.exe, the File Explorer and everything else that comes preinstalled with Windows. According to the preinstalled logic, Windows should just be delivered with a kernel to even the competition.

AFAIK Slack is a Startup, backed by VC. If we would speak about Sublime Text vs. Notepad.exe, we might have ethical/moral grounds for a discussion.

Edit: … and just to be more clear: We have SublimeText, Directory Opus etc. - great software from great teams, which can survive although they compete with preinstalled software on Microsoft Windows. If Slack would provide something really valuable, Teams wouldn’t have had such an easy play. Same is true for Zoom.

Thanks for your elaboration, I am not qualified to know or answer, if Microsoft broke the law concerning Teams.

I am referring to the motivation for Slack to file a complaint, look at the numbers (50 vs 300 millions) which clearly show that Slack is loosing. Do you seriously imply that Slack is filing their complaint to reduce bloatware? (In that case, I am happy to see Slack starting to debloat their client. :-P)

As I already said, I am no fan of Teams, Microsoft, etc. but IMHO by now everyone grown up can decide what messenger app to install, there is enough competition (Apple, Linux) on the desktop for people who want less/different bloatware.

I am just seriously tired of the EU investing time and energy in this bullshit instead of investing energy in important/useful topic for its citizens.

Seriously, this is so ridiculous: So Slack filed a complain because their chat application looses against Teams?

I mean, Slack could have like innovated and make their application really, really good so that customers choose Slack over Teams because of the value it brings.

Instead they go the legal/lobbyist way and cry because a chat application obviously isn’t a forever gold mine.

The EU being technically illiterate and dump enough to play along is even more ridiculous than Slacks entitlement.

(For the record: I don’t like Teams, Office, Microsoft, Slack etc… but this is just such an obvious/bullshit lobbyist move.)